Kuroiban

 can't think of anything in the imp gift that would work in this deck...

Bolt Crank:

 can't think of anything in the imp gift that would work in this deck...

I'll try game of sincerity instead of UB (or even Assigning). The extra 2 honor loss can be nice, and since you have big followers the personality not contributing force isn't that bad. UB rarely works for me anyway.

So, that's a really bad idea. This is why- First, the point of the deck is not to put in cards that cause honor loss necessarily, but just really solid battle actions. Unexpected Betrayal is a very strong battle action, with very few good answers, which is why it's in the deck.

Game of Sincerity has a great effect, but the cost is much to high. You need to crack provinces in this deck, and reducing someones force to 0, albeit great in a military matchup, isn't helping you crack provinces which is the major point of this deck.

The Assigning Blames are in there purely for an added element of dishonor control (and are arguably the weakest cards in the deck). If you were to try Game of Sincerity, that should be the slot you look at first, imo. Unexpected Betrayal puts the fear of God in people. Don't take it out.

I still like assigning blame better, myself. Better tempo, and if it's a really tight game against another military deck, I can sometimes pop off the smallest dishonor bomb in the world and wade in on the attack to dishonor them out.

Sure but UB doesn't work on its own. You need a personality opposing (unlikely in many games against honor), dishonored (difficult if you don't see a Saya or Assigning) that stays there. And there's few answers to this card as well (unless playing EHP or Barrackats and stacking followers)

I agree it's more of a defensive card but you do need to save your provinces (especially when you almost always go second)

 Game of Sincerity is a great replacement for Unexpected Betrayal in dishonor bleed out of DVD. Out of SSK, I have to agree with Shosuro Azwaru. Lots of people like to point a finger at UB and say it's not all that it's cracked up to be, but the fact of the matter is it's a military game-winner.

 actually there was a rules change somewhere along the lines Chitenshi. If you play unexpected betrayal and you no longer have anybody there, the person who is under unexpected betrayal still does not contribute force to his army.

He no longer contributes to your army if you have nobody there. But he also doesn't contribute to his own army either. So in essence. He just kind of stands there on the battlefield not knowing where to go. Found this out thanks to Azwaru and Crimson Scorpion King. It was a rules calling change back in july.

That's why it's only at 2x in the deck. Everything else that functions off dishonor control (Insolence punished) just gets better with dishonored personalities.

In terms of defending, and saving provinces, that's generally not an issue I'm seeing. Between Two-Front War, and Doomed Intentions you have alot of straighten and move back in, and if you have a loaded up muhito, a ton of consecutive actions.

Against Honor, Irishii causes a boat load of trouble. Kurumi is great for getting dishonored people on the table as well. And having kaukatsu out has been a huge source of dishonor for me. I send him into battle, misdirect bows and other sorts of actions to him, and force them to dishonor an honorable personality. Further, if I pop off an assigning blame, they can either seppuku, which is fine by me, or they can let kaukatsu get off. In that situation, even if UB is a dead card, the threat of it made assigning blame that much better.

I know Saya is phenomenal, but this deck is pretty capable of getting dishonored people on the table.

Seriously though, it wins games.

Yeah, know about it. Doesn't change the fact

Yeah, know about it. Doesn't change the fact I often find myself without the tools to use it.

If it's not working, make the switch.

Personally, if I found that not working for me, I'd throw in the last surprising resistance and call it a day.

Or just a cartographers. 2 for 2 that negates reactions and terrains. Yes, Please.

In defence it looks ok, but how you can manage to get 1-2 provinces without The khan which is key card in this deck in my thought. Have you considered to add something to improve probability to sink privince like Sneak Attack or Unwavering Assault

How did you deal with dueling deck ? Killing your Taoist Archer is so easy for them. I only see Misdirection and Aroru but dueling deck plays always Determination and some big chi (Satsu with Tsi blade )

Bayushi Tsubaki:

 Game of Sincerity is a great replacement for Unexpected Betrayal in dishonor bleed out of DVD. Out of SSK, I have to agree with Shosuro Azwaru. Lots of people like to point a finger at UB and say it's not all that it's cracked up to be, but the fact of the matter is it's a military game-winner.

I dissagree with Game of Sincerity replacing Unexpected in DVD decks.  My bleed deck still rocks Unexpected Simply because the Force Swing and their inability to play actions off of that person means it is still a great action.  Game made cut in my deck though I dropped one Share the Blame, one Arrows from the Woods (and eventually the other two to see if Bitter Shadow of Shame is a good idea in the deck but that is for another thread), and one Stay Your Blade

I completely agree, leaving in Unexpected Betrayal! Force wins battles yes, but, gimping a key personality from doing much of anything save moving them out of the battle with some actions that don't target is PRICELESS. Keep both.

UB is situational but for sure very usefull. I would rather replace Blame which is the weakest card in this list.